Holder strikes me as the kinda captain...

Holder strikes me as the kinda captain who would tell the team to go for a draw.

And this negativity will cause a collapse.

WI were on top when Bishoo and Leon attacked. You go into your shell, and Pakistan will crush you.

For one , I would have rehuffled the Batting order!

No way Blackwood was coming next.

Grinders like Chase and Dowrich , first !

Blackwood too !

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the problem with you is dat you are not black..and because you are not black you are not aware of the real tragedy of Holder as captain.

as a young ambitious black man in the west indies you really don't know you know..because you donot know who is who and what is what.

and you don't have you, who you really are to guide you.  you may have a lot of painful discriminatory experience but that can cause extreme reaction but  does not identify you and give you real guidance..so that you may turn the pain to positive development

a mitigation and balancing factor would be your parents and what they taught you.  if they know they can set you up early.  if by skill, school and so on you get opportunity to move, travel in the region and in the world working developing youself and in time that can set you up properly also..even better.

if Holder had done that and been appointed captain at 27-30 he would be a different man entirely..one that Skam could not do with as he pleased


and that is where the tragedy of Holder lurks.

Skameron snatched him deliberately at this formative period and gave him the job all the better to control him. 

at 27- 30 that wud be too late for the needs and plans of ole Skam.  22 years old was the time.  and grab him he did.

when he is finally cast aside Holder will be done.  he will be undeveloped as player, as everything and failed as captain.  he will never now really develop into a player who can command a place even in the Bajan side.

by the time Holder is caste aside he would be undeveloped and failed as leader and player with nowhere to go but back to university I guess.

but Skameron's current need for a lackey would have been met.  and Holder will be replaced by another lackey caught between youth and development unable to deal with the job and the wicb..if that monster bureau remains in place

Oye, TD is Chinee  :-\

well I actually dont know who TD is from an ethnic angle.  I always assumed he is Indo.  that is how I have worked with him to date :

And a Guyanan at that MAPPIPPEE,

holder apparently does not want to appear to be wat..revolutionary, opposed to the status ::confused:: 

this appears to be so bad he is afraid to do the natural regardless, something any ordinary self interested and self centred person would do automatically relative to the Bishoo incident..which is to go for the review.

that is how bad it can get for a black man in the world, emotionally/psychologically struggling with life and opportunity..worse too.  but give him a chance to around the world making a living, seeing humanity for what it is and watch him change when he has to deal with how life really is, how humanity actually is.

see him change into the real McCoy..a man who knows he must look after himself period, not to play the arse with situations save directed by what they really are, and his own self interest

Skameron cyar deal with experienced west indians like that. he knows he cant that is why he got rid of all of them.  he wants no part of any such players..those who can fight back and take the lead too.... except those who are prepared to to lackey to him..like unable to score skunt Samules

ketchim 'worked' with Skameron to get rid of them too with his war against Polly Pieces and Brabits, with his fave weapon...ripe yellow bananas.  allyuh must note also that Sketchim loved Holder from the start..although  Holder is what TD says he is, though ignoring the context..this context here.

so what do we have.. a bad cop, bad cop scenario with ketchim/TD against black players..attacking them, getting rid of the better experienced ones who can fight skameron..even sacrificing Ramdin in the process, an Indo ::confused:: ::confused:: 

TD does not like Ramdin at all although it is clear Ramdins replacement is no better that he.

Ramdin is a fine player of spin, has scored 5 tons for the west indies and in Pakistan yesterday would likely have made a big difference in west indies favor.

I dont know actually wats going orn here but it seems to compute the way I have described it so far[/quote]