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Did the Original Bible Manuscripts Claim Jesus Was God?

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01 Jul 2012 18:37 #91070 by chairman
In the bestseller Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the authors claim that in A.D. 303 Emperor Diocletian destroyed all Christian writings that could be found. That’s why, they assert, there are no New Testament manuscripts prior to the fourth century. Later, Emperor Constantine commissioned new versions of these documents, which allowed the “custodians of orthodoxy to revise, edit, and rewrite their material as they saw fit.” It was at this point that “most of the crucial alterations in the New Testament were probably made and Jesus assumed the unique status he has enjoyed ever since.”

In response to this book, Dr. Daniel B. Wallace, a New Testament Greek scholar, says, “Do these authors know anything about history at all? Diocletian did not destroy all the Christian manuscripts. He did destroy several, but mostly in the East and South. As far as having no manuscripts prior to the fourth century— well, we have more than four dozen in Greek alone that are prior to the fourth century. And these manuscripts have numerous passages—John 1:1, 18; 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1—that affirm the deity of Jesus. So it’s nonsense to say Jesus’ deity wasn’t invented until the fourth century when you’ve already got the evidence in earlier manuscripts.

“Besides, we still have lots and lots of quotations by church fathers prior to the fourth century. Ignatius, in about A.D. 110, calls Jesus ‘our God’ and then says, ‘the blood of God,’ referring to Jesus. Where does he get this idea if it wasn’t invented for more than two hundred years? And you have a steady march from Ignatius right through the rest of the patristic writers— I mean, you can’t make that kind of a claim and be any kind of a responsible historian.”

Because Scriptures that affirm the deity of Christ are so numerous and central to the New Testament, an incredible feat of editing would have been required to add them. Accepting the claims of Jesus’ deity as part of the original manuscripts is much more natural and believable.

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01 Jul 2012 19:52 - 01 Jul 2012 22:18 #91074 by mapoui
i have seen histories of the churches/christianity that would singe your mind.

i believe no lierature and doctrine of christianity..nor islam..and the rest.  i tend to believe recent black scolarship on ancient history.  most of that work was accomplished under dures and pressure, funded by contribution that did not make the scholars compromise their findings.

the work of charles finch, theophile obenga and anta diop are irrefutable

i work my own outlook on what so far are incontrovertabe facts..like steles,ancient  artwork like sculpture, paintings etc.  for example the dancing girl of mohenjo daro.

there are lots like that from all the early cultures that explain clearly who the people were who started them all. without doubt.

but that is not what the west focuses on.  they have built up a story that supports white domination..not the truith of humanity..the human story..a story, truth, now forcing its way back to human consciousness.

the bible has alwayts been a piece of shiite to me since a lil bwoy.  I never took it seriously although there was always that doubt in my mind.  I was a minority of one in all I thought..a person everyone thought crazy anyway due to my ideas.

allyuh think it sorf.  none ah allyuh would go through what I lived as routine coming up. the taps up, licks, denigrations, put downs, even by my teachers, one a blqack bull dyke who use to beat the livhg shiite out of me..humilate me in front of the class although I was almost always first in her class.  first in all classes

all that almost cost me my life.  in a way it has cost me my life.  but I am living to see that I was on the right path as a young 'different' boy..that my ideas are turning out to have been right

adam and eve is clearly nancy story. and everything was always white and Jewish although the part of the world in which bible action takse place was never populated by whites.

the whole Jewish basis is crumbling.  there was no kindom of solomon.  History does not know David very well..little claimed in the bible stand up to modern scrutiny.

it appears that all through history the Jews have con artist of the greatest magnitude. their domination is based on lies and criminality huge, through history to currently.  but their house of lies is crumbling.

the bible is a lie, a jackass thing.  the bible could not possible be the word of any god.  no god worth his salt would work that way with people he created.

the bible is a book written by charlatans, kings, popes, all people of the worst sort..rapists, homosexuals, murderers, fornicators, incesters having sex with their own children, having children with their own children, trannys..pereverts of the worst kind, genocidists

those are the people who wrote christian doctrine, established the church, ran it form the start.  these amd all those who followed them have been vast criminals for 2k+ years and counting.

there are facts that can be stablished on which the truth can be known.  we have african slavery, indian indenture, various genocides throughout the coloured world since columbus sailed.

today we have the huge catholic pedophile scandal.  but that has always been the case.  the diff is that currently we have been finding out and making the churh pay.

but that is how the catholic church/christianity, has been from the start.  thats what the people who set up christianity were.  that is what they remain.  they set up the church for all those purposes and more.  current paedophillia is nothing unsusual in christianity.

that current pope..Benny the Rat they call him... looks like a most evil mf..clearly a pervert. and he is the one clealy guilty of massive cover-up of catholic sexual crime .

and the canadian and irish genocides have been discovered.  they are digging up the bones of the Native holocaust in Canada.  they took the native children by the 10's of thousands and sequestered them in schools where they were preyed upon by the christian churches in charge.

THE KISS-MIH-ARSE CHRISTIAN BIBLE STANDS ABOVE ALL THAT CRIME. AND  THATS ONLY A FRACTION OF THE EVIL THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN ITS NAME.

AND ITS COMING APART NOW...UNRAVELLING.

its way past time!

I lost my doubt many years ago when I saw others thinking and wrting like I reasoned all my life.

the one issue from the start that bothered me was original sin.  how the arse could I bee born guiltiy of sin..I who did not do anything in my mothers womb?

how can childrend be born guilty of sin? 

that was impossible to me ..a real burden and trauma.. for me, for christrian youth. 

and also that masturbation as mortal sin.  that was another one that caused  trauma  and great guilt for christian youth.  those 2 were/are serious..original sin and masturbation as mortal sin, have led to all manner of psychoilogical and sexual disfuctnion and  human harm in this world...more harm that we will ever be able to quantify so great it is.

and all that is in the stinking bible...all that despoiling and ruination of billions of humans beings for 2 thousand years now.

it is time to burn every phucking church to the ground and their priesthoods with them
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