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well it looks like Ron paul wont win

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11 Mar 2012 22:51 #79171 by artemis

how is he a racist?

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12 Mar 2012 06:13 #79173 by dave6

how is that possible kwami he looks rather to Caucasian for your liking and after all like you said in your last posts all whites are racists like Ron Paul.. who is a Racist because.... he has done so many racist things like ... like... looking and being white!!! yeah fuck Ron Paul! oh Kwami you and your intelligent posts thank you for reminding me how stupid the majority of the word has become...or always been.

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12 Mar 2012 06:22 #79174 by dave6

well let me explain how Kwami comes to the conclusion that ron paul is racist. ron paul owned a free speech based news letter that was libetarian based meaning it allowed all different perspectives.
One of the writers made a column about the LA riots and it made genralized statements about the black populace of LA.
this was published 15-20 years ago the media decided to run with it and accuse ron paul of being a racist for something someone else wrote and someone else edited that went through a paper ron paul owned and encouraged free speech with.
I am racist according to kwami because i have produced and directed several documentary projects celebrating the positive  aspects of German, syrian chinese and east indian heritage within the west indies and discussing color lines that have affected the Caribbean community in historic and contemporary times and you know how horrible that is only a racist discusses social issue in a mature and empathetic manner.
really its because he is a troll and has nothing else better to do i am sure he knows his statements are idiotic and meaningless but there is the chance he is serious and he is as dumb as he seems.

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12 Mar 2012 06:25 #79175 by dave6

Yeah they try to ignore him and play him down but for someone so grass roots he sure has made nuff noise

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12 Mar 2012 06:31 #79176 by dave6

you are right at least i hope you are right i would be great to see a leader who has some integrity and stops people from forcing policies that hinder our homelands. i think all of my postings have been innocent i never came to do anything but chat people up about cricket and Caribbean affairs.
You wont hear from me for long stretches because i have been spending my days in bush country and internet access has been hard to come by and i am in rough places where i keep fancy electronic devices aside from my cell phone away. i am able to use the internet because i am traveling the USA filming for some projects and doing some screening for my documentaries.
Thats how i function.

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12 Mar 2012 07:43 - 12 Mar 2012 08:27 #79179 by mapoui
yes! well good for yu.  I hope yu are making better docs as a rsultl of your 'widening' experience... and the critiqu yu get on this board. 

yu need it from what i have seen of yu so far.


but what yu mean that yu hope I am right!  what does it mean whether I am right or wrong?

it is clear the american process is rigged...from the media to the voting machines.  indeed has been rigged for a long time.

Ron Paul never had a chance through that process... and the fact that he subjected himself to it is a question I have often asked.  he had to have know he would not win through that.

to my way of thinking, any rejection by him of that electoral  process would have been a proper and effective critique of the eoverall system he must be against... to even have a chance of effecting change of it.

yu cannot be against the federal reserve and not be against the electoral system.  they are one and the same,by the same people to maintain the total program of exploitation and control they have in place.

no matter what, they are not going to let anyone through that system who challenges them. 

by the same principle anyone who comes through that system is on the side of the 1% and an enemy of the 99%

so Paul had to come from outside the system... from the start...to have any chance of winning the presidency.

and  Paul would have won from outside the system.  he would have developed overwhelming support for theamerican people in great majority, areclearly  ready for what Paul proposes to do as president..his program.

coming from outside the system would  make the Republican primaries look like the jackassness it is, easily make the paperrequirements he needed to be represented on the presidential ballot.... and only then. in that final election face the voting machines...if by then he had not forced a return to ballot boxes...another goal he necessarily had to have to fixated on in his campaigining

by then, due to the readiness of the americna peoplle, Paul he have built up such a momentum and put such an electoral  monitoring process in place, it would have been war in the streets..if the voting machines were maintained and his victory was denied.

and if he won... with the people mobilised and on his side, clearly, powerfully, Paul would have won a mandate to do all he said he would do..his program, putting the israeli bought congress on notice if they did not ratify his appointments to office and not pass his legislation...that there would be hell to pay.

PAUL WOULD HAVE WON THE RIGHT TO BY-PASS  THEM AND DIRECLY CARRY OUT WHAT MUST BE DONE TO SAVE AMERICA ...IN THE NAME OF THE AMERICANS WHO WERE OUT IN THE STREETS IN SUPPORT OF HIM

that would have been the point to coming from outside the system.  Paul has a radical perspective that has now to my mind at least, proven to be not so radical after all.  Paul has not gone all the way.  he appears to think he has an opition but he does not.

in the end Paul could nto go against the very system he rails against in his rhetoric...and has failed to radicalise the american public to win an election to carry out what is at least partly a peoples agenda

it was mostly rhetoric Paulmostly only talk. 

when the chips are down the elite cannot go all the way, cannot go against their own.  we saw the very same thing with Bob Rae in Ontario Canada, when he won a mandate with the NDP  same with Allan Blakeney at the federal level with the national NDP...when thy were poised NDP to win Canada back in the 19-eighties.

yu cant be halfway against the system.  you are either against it or you are not.  you cant reform the system if the system does not want to reform itself.  yu either re-format ittotally,  if it is failed... or it must be left as it is.

in which case somebody else..the people will do the necessary work..not you. and in the failure of Paul to radicalise the people, an opportunity has been missed that would be more organised than the chaos that looms...now that the elcrtoral process has proved finally, totally, comprehensively, that it is incapable of bringing to the fore, leadership that can save the american nation

in the end, it is that Paul was afraid of raising the revolutionary fervor of the american masses to a the very revolutionary point that exists.  Paul wants change but apparently onto changes his shorts.

Paul wants to end the fed fed.  but he is blind in that... for the fed and what it represents is the basis of what what remains if capitalism, of the power of ths status quo.  they will not let him end the fed, that and so to end the fed... an essential development indeed....Paul had to raise the people against it right up to revolutionary action.  he cannot end the fed from within the system.

if yu take away the fed the class that controls now through capitalism will lose their base and collapse.  they will not allow it.  and even if Paul had had managed to squeaked through the electorl process they would have killed him....openely if necessary.

Pauls only safety lay in how he came to the presidencey.  if the people sorrouned him from the outside... to assasinate him then,  would be to precipiate the very revolutionary violence from the massess, that Paul himself feared to raise, to become the lightening-rod for.

we dont have to..did not have to. worry about Pauls racism.  had he been elected the current process would have neutralised any racism on his part.  the only way Paul would have played the racism card is if he was a secret agent for the startus quo..like Obama.  be he is not so he had to play a peoples card..to the extent that he played it.  amd that would neutralise any  lingering racism on his part

anyway, it is clear that Paul today is not the Paul of 50, 30, even 10 years ago.  Racism on Pauls part was the least of my conncerns.

Pauls was the greatest of his own problems.  he proved to be insurmountable to his own aspirations and ambitions!

Paul will not get near the prersidencey and leave america worse of for his ultimate failure!
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12 Mar 2012 08:46 - 12 Mar 2012 09:00 #79181 by dave6

actually  like all things in life the more we do them the more we improve and i am glad to say i am always improving but my message stays the same the fact that i displeased you makes me very happy i did not set out to make the willfully ignorant, and bigoted people  pleased or changed  but i set out to disrupt them and stir them up while reinforcing the rational forward progressive minded people of the world and based on the response and progress i feel i have done this .  well i hope you find great break through  and progress with your internet posting maybe one day you will get paid for it and do lectures at BU and other places of higher learning if you work hard enough at it.
but yes of course the electoral system is rigged and and made to make people like paul fail or appear they have failed. yeah it seems impossible to win against world banking systems and the federal reserve and i always pondered the idea of one of those private organizations killing Ron Paul and why they havent already.
If they did maybe they would make him a martyr like JFK and prove him right and turn the world against them. at the very least he has sent out some strong messages that the idiotic media insists on covering up.

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12 Mar 2012 09:48 - 12 Mar 2012 13:24 #79187 by mapoui

nonsense generally!  you are blinded by emotion and cannot see me from what I say here...

lecturing!  wat llecturing!  I am retired man.  my children all grown up and professional.  one on the way to a doctorate.

have done my bit for king and country.

I work in-between, solving probelms where I can in certain projects for money.  when I have time I post.

it does not take long to compose my posts when they are long.  I dont look at too much Tv and when I do it is in real time..like sports.  I have no attention defict problem.

posting on a message board is as good or as bad as writing a book.  who reads anyway?  and the only chance there is  of a book seeling is if it is accepted and pushed by the status quo.  nothing I have to say will likely be accepted by anyone.

I mean... you are quite ordinary and general and yu accept nothing I say.

but I like posting on westindian message boards.  its good exercise and I keep some a  connection of sorts to the region from which I come.  in the absence of better more direct immersion this must do.

relative to Paul and your opinion of me yu do not observe facts, descerning them be as basic as you can make them out to be, proceed in society with them, in living, in analysis, taking them to their furthest and most basic interconnections.

if yu did that you would be able to make some startling, basic but simple conclusions about life.  in the end accorsing to Occam's Razor, the law of parsimony,  the most simple but plausible of all options, relative to the understanding of anything, is usally the right option, turns out to be usually the right one.

like when I pose for eg, that the question of existence is " how does humanity survive indefiently in an evolutionary reality?' 

that is a simple formulation yet the realisation of an answer takes into considration all that we are, have lived and experienced, the stage we have arrived at, yet establishes the most basic humanity of all..that a proper and accurate answer must contain the true, factural principles of non-racialism, democracy and the right of all people to survive, for survival is maximum diversity, diversit on all levels of existence, especially biological, but social as well..not the limitation in anyway of human environmental biology, as well as social/cultural diversity...that such limitation is equal to human suicide, equal to the growing reduction of human chances in evolution by our own hand"

now if yu understood that you would have achieved an insight into me and my view..if you are interested { go ahead and insult me}

but yu would have achieved much more than just that.  you would see what demoacracy and human equality, and an embrace of all diversity actually means, in a very pracrical sense to human survival. 
which is why I posted some time ago that:  REAL DEMOCRACY, HUMAN SOCIAL EQUALITY, SYSTEMATIC DEMOCRACY, NON-RACISM AND MAX, EXPANDING  DIVERSITY...OR HUMAN DEATH, EXTINCTION.

THAT THAT IS INDEED THE CHOICE WE ALL FACE

yu do not understand that from as far as I can glean from your comments.  you shoud dig into it from the angle of the question I have posted..How does humanity survive indefiently in an evolutionary universe?

and when yu have an idea of the ansxwer come back and we will talk again.  and at that time I am sure, at a much better level that we speak now
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12 Mar 2012 10:10 - 12 Mar 2012 10:19 #79192 by mapoui
if yu take take the questions in Pauls quest for the american presidency to their logical conclusions, you would see that the problems is Paul himself and the path he has chosen.

americans would elect Paul to the presidency even with his half program of reform, and reticient attitude, for they are fed up and tired with the repugs and the donkeys.  americans want change which is why they have grabbed at Pauls so so effort.

but Paul has refused so far to give them an opportunity to really vote for him.  it is Pauls fault and no one elses.  and in that sense Pauls betryal is as profound as Obamas.

A POLITICIAN...ANY POLITICIAN..CANNOT REPRESENT THE PEOPLES INTERESTS, INSIDE THE PROCESS, THAT HAS BEEN ERRECTED, DEVELOPED AND HONED, SHARPENED UP CONSTANTLY TO LOCK THEM OUT.

even if a politicians is so good, so complete, as to fool the status quo and get elected, to carry out any reform program, even of mild reform, he would have to challenge the status quo frontally very quickly into his administration, to get anywhere at all.

and the only power that is capable of challenging the status quo frontally is the people in collective movement

the entire process is rigged to prevent any such thing happening...from the appointments process, to the stolid and conservative bureaucracy, the elected leader would get nothing done.  they will all prevaricate and stymie such leaders.   

a man like Paul would never get anyone passed by the american congress to become a cabinet secs, unless he appointed eggregious people.  they would reject all his recommendations.  and when he has policy to carry out, he needs the civil service to carry them out.  they will not.  they will frustrate his government and it him fail by sabotaging his programs

so dont yu see... for Paul to succeed he must have the most complete and forcefull mandate from the people.  to achieve that he must come outside the regular process, expressing fully the peoples program, representing that program faithfully, get the people out into the streets, in every town and city, ready for action.  they people know and they will be ready.  THEY ARE MORE READY NOW THAN PAUL HIMSELF.

it is only when the people are so radicalised and ready to move that Paul would be protected from assassination..especially if he adds even more radical people behind and around him.  for to kill such a leader would bring only even more radical people into power.

it is only when the people lieterally out into the streets and ready forcsction that Paul would have the power to get his people passed by the senate, cow the bureuacracy into proper action,be able to fire a whole lot of it, and and change and radicalise its personell, to cary thought the programs of change he has outlined.

yu see Dave6  allyuh believe that a Paul victory like magic wuld automatically result in the change allyuh call decent.  it wont for he is only one man.  and the laws work only according to WHO carry them out.  and the entrenched operatives in the amereican government wont lift a finger to carry out the programs of any reformer

that reformer would have to win the power form the people, outside the refgular system...and have the people ready to impose on the situation the very program they elected the leader to carry out.

the people in majority have that right.  it is absolute!
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12 Mar 2012 11:19 #79208 by Kwami
this possiblity exist but you cannot explain away his racist newsletter that he put out for decades. The Sean Paul defence of " it wasnt me " just wont cut it

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